Davy Back Fight II R2M1 - Nirv vs Miselius

[Typhoon]

Davy Back Fight II

The Rules (must read):
1. Vote clearly on the victor. You must state a reason why you feel that team would win. Your vote is voided if: You don't have a reason stated, you have less than 100 posts (unless it is decided differently), and if you don't put I vote for: (Participant Name here) at the end of your post.

2. Only 1 vote allowed. If later you are persuaded by someone and choose to vote for the other person, then only that vote will count.

3. No filler abilities, none period.

4. No character hype, yes Zoro is fucking awesome, but please try and be serious and just go off their skills

5. Experience of fighting WITH or AGAINST character's are in play. (eg Baroque Works pairs, such as Mr 4 and Miss Merry Christmas will work well together) EXPERIENCE IS ONLY IN AFFECT FROM CHAPTER 500 AND BEFORE.

6. There is no prep time. But your characters have unlimited time before a match where they can discuss strategy and share knowledge etc. But no actions may be taken before a match.

7. The Incharacter Rule
Characters will do their best to follow a strategy. They will happily attack the enemy (even Sanji will kick a girl if she is the enemy). Characters have no fear (Ussop will not run away). When left with nothing to do and no guidelines, characters will behave incharacter as they would do in the manga.

8. If caught bribing for votes or cheating (making aliases), you will be disqualified from the tournament.

9. Logias are not intangible, they can be hurt by all normal attacks (eg, you don't need water to hurt Crocodile). Zombies character are also the same, they can be hurt with normall attacks, not just salt and fire.

10. A strategy cannot plan for things the characters have no knowledge of. For example, a team cannot plan for Don Kriegs poison if no one on that players team has knowledge of it.

Location: Long Island (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/304/12-13/)
Long Island Rules:
  Teams start at a random distance appart on the Long Island Plains

Nirv
Current Ussop (15)
Ryuuma (30)
Pre-EL Luffy (25)
Ms Merry Christmas
Pell


Miselius
Wiper
Post EL Zoro
Braham
Mr.3
Mr. 5

***Do Not Vote Until both Strategy's Are Posted***
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[Miselius]

Knowledge: Zoro knows a lot about all of them.

Long Island is pretty good battlefield for my team as there is not much where to hide there.

Anyways like previously Zoro punches Reject dial right from the beginning loading it. And then my team starts to roll.

First of all Zoro goes to have a rematch with Ryuuma, which he should win by default if there is no interfering as Zoro won against Ryuuma last time and he should be able to do it again as he has grown somewhat stronger, not much but still it helps. Also Zoro this time has Shuusui with him.

As for Wiper he will be aiming at Luffy going to Reject him dead. Like Chopper from the previous match as soon as Wiper's skate touches Luffy he will be powerles and then get rejected to death. Because Seastone nullifies Luffy's rubbery body he won't get his usual defense boost, which might give him enough to survive one reject, but he won't have it so it's pretty much one hit kill. Then he will use his Burn Bazooka to grill Pell. The Burn Bazooka is pretty strong and Pell pretty weak so it shouldn't be too hard either.

As for Braham and the Mr. 3 their only job is to keep Usopp from giving Luffy and Ryuuma support by stalling, untill Zoro or Wiper finishes off their opponents and can come beat up Usopp. Braham alone should do this but with Mr. 3 it should be even easier as neither Zoro or Wiper should take too long with their targets.

As for Mr. 3 his only job is to slow down Ms. Merrychristmas and Pell so he does the best he can to stall. He doesn't need to beat anyone up and he can get beaten as soon as possible as long as anyone more important isn't in danger.

I'm trying to have everyone fight close to each other as if someone needs help they can get it. Of course this is not needed as I think victory should be pretty safe even without it, but safer is better.

What if's: Again I suck at this part.

[Nirv]

Knowledge: I know all of them well except for possibly Braham

Strategy: The open setting suits my team as it lets all my guys to use there powers to their full extent. Firstly I will have Ryuuma attack Zoro straight off. Of course I am aware that Zoro can beat Ryuuma in a fair fight but even then not easily, so here I have Ms.Merry Christmas go underground from the start and attack Zoro's feet or digging small holes for his feet to get stuck in or just knock him off balance.l

While Ryuuma and Ms.Merry Christmas are engaging Zoro Ussop will have climbed onto Pell's back and will instantly begin Pelting wiper with fire and smoke stars. Now even if Wiper uses his Burn Bazooka and cloud dial he still has no chance of catching Pell who flew a large metal bomb away from a city to a safe distance in like 5 seconds, and also escaped the explosion. Ussop who is a vastly superior marksman to wiper will be able to fire back even while pell is using evasive maneuvers.

From the Get go Luffy will take down Mr.5 and 3, he has beaten both of them before with ease, taking Mr.3 down with like one kick to the face, and beating Mr.5 in a matter of seconds even when he was over-bloated with food. since both fights he has once again vastly improved, this leaves him open to help Ussop and Pell, or remove Braham.

As for Braham he cannot interfere with Zoro and Ryuumas fights as he stands as he cannot open fire on them without putting Zoro at risk. If Braham helps Wiper against Ussop he is at the same disadvantage as wiper except he has much less endurance. Once Braham is gone Luffy can also help Against Wiper, and as good he is he could,'t take all 3 and then it leaves my team free to overwhelm Zoro.

What ifs:The pairs don't work out, they have to as wiper can't just ignore projectile attacks nor can braham, and if Zoro tries to Run from Ryuuma he will be sliced from behind. As for 3+5 Luffy will take them out in seconds before they can to crap all.

[Miselius]

Strategy: The open setting suits my team as it lets all my guys to use there powers to their full extent. Firstly I will have Ryuuma attack Zoro straight off. Of course I am aware that Zoro can beat Ryuuma in a fair fight but even then not easily, so here I have Ms.Merry Christmas go underground from the start and attack Zoro's feet or digging small holes for his feet to get stuck in or just knock him off balance.lZoro defeated Ryuuma in few minutes the first time and it shouldn't take any longer this time either. Even if Ms. Merry Xmas could throw him off balance or make him fall on the hole it would make Zoro just more beaten up after the battle. And if things get tough Zoro can just attack Merrychristmas for a while. It shouldn't take more than one or two attacks for him to cause K.O. And of course Mr. 3 is marking Merrychristmas so she shouldn't be able to pull it off atleast so easily.

While Ryuuma and Ms.Merry Christmas are engaging Zoro Ussop will have climbed onto Pell's back and will instantly begin Pelting wiper with fire and smoke stars. Now even if Wiper uses his Burn Bazooka and cloud dial he still has no chance of catching Pell who flew a large metal bomb away from a city to a safe distance in like 5 seconds, and also escaped the explosion. Ussop who is a vastly superior marksman to wiper will be able to fire back even while pell is using evasive maneuvers.Wiper will be marking Luffy so he won't be shooting Pell down from the skies right from the beginning. But you are right hitting Pell will be tough, but it shouldn't take much to bring him down so one or two lucky hits and that's it. Also it would take god knows how long from Usopp to snipe down Wiper, which we all know to have huge durablity. Also with his skates he can dodge the stars if needed.

From the Get go Luffy will take down Mr.5 and 3, he has beaten both of them before with ease, taking Mr.3 down with like one kick to the face, and beating Mr.5 in a matter of seconds even when he was over-bloated with food. since both fights he has once again vastly improved, this leaves him open to help Ussop and Pell, or remove Braham.Wiper will be chasing Luffy and seriously it won't take more than the touch from the skates so that you can count Luffy out. With his skates Wiper is fast, without Gear's Luffy doesn't have high movement speed so he really can't run away.

As for Braham he cannot interfere with Zoro and Ryuumas fights as he stands as he cannot open fire on them without putting Zoro at risk. If Braham helps Wiper against Ussop he is at the same disadvantage as wiper except he has much less endurance. Once Braham is gone Luffy can also help Against Wiper, and as good he is he could,'t take all 3 and then it leaves my team free to overwhelm Zoro.Braham can use his flash dials to screw up Usopp's aim and Pell's sight. Also he can eventually hit him as he is pro gunner. It's true that he can't take as much hits but with his skates he is pretty fast too and he knows what to expect.

Only problem I'm having now is to shoot Pell down, but if everyone else minus him and Usopp are down and I have my stronger guys it should be possible.

[Nirv]

Zoro defeated Ryuuma in few minutes the first time and it shouldn't take any longer this time either. Even if Ms. Merry Xmas could throw him off balance or make him fall on the hole it would make Zoro just more beaten up after the battle. And if things get tough Zoro can just attack Merry christmas for a while. It shouldn't take more than one or two attacks for him to cause K.O. And of course Mr. 3 is marking Merry christmas so she shouldn't be able to pull it off atleast so easily.

Firstly the Zoro vs Ryuuma part, a few minutes please it would've been at least 10 15 minutes in normal conditions and now Zoro is being continuously knocked off of balance. As for just being a little more beaten up in a sword fight of this level a small mistake could be fatal. Now if Zoro tries to take Ms.Merry Christmas out even if it only for a second or two he leaves himself wide open to be stabbed fatally by Ryuuma like I said a very high level fighter. As for Mr.3 'marking' Ms. Merry Christmas how, the teams start apart from each other and as soon as she goes underground he can hardly mark her.


Wiper will be marking Luffy so he won't be shooting Pell down from the skies right from the beginning. But you are right hitting Pell will be tough, but it shouldn't take much to bring him down so one or two lucky hits and that's it. Also it would take god knows how long from Usopp to snipe down Wiper, which we all know to have huge durablity. Also with his skates he can dodge the stars if needed.

Like I said you wont be able to mark from the beginning of the match whereas Ussop can start sniping Wiper from the beginning. Also you contradicted yourself saying Pell would be hard to shoot down then saying a few lucky shots would get him.Please Wiper with a few lucky shots, Pell carried a bomb that weighed far more then ussop, from the city to a safe distance of over 5km away in under 5 seconds and still managed to escape so wiper will never be able to touch bell with his burn bazooka. As for dodging with the skates that still means he is effectively removed from the fight and he can't indefinitely dodge so once he is hit once it'll be possible to keep hitting him as he'll be knocked off his stride


Wiper will be chasing Luffy and seriously it won't take more than the touch from the skates so that you can count Luffy out. With his skates Wiper is fast, without Gear's Luffy doesn't have high movement speed so he really can't run away.

Well like I said Wiper wont be able to easily take Luffy as he will be constantly dodging from ussop, and as good as Wiper is in a 1v1 match there is no way he is taking even pre-EL Luffy.


Braham can use his flash dials to screw up Usopp's aim and Pell's sight. Also he can eventually hit him as he is pro gunner. It's true that he can't take as much hits but with his skates he is pretty fast too and he knows what to expect.

From such a vast distance the flash dials wont do much to ussop and pell as for his aim he is forced to constantly look up not the easiest sniping position and he only has one ammo whereas Ussop has smoke fire and other sneaky attacks to use against him and Wiper.

[Typhoon]

Leaning towards Nirv so far

[Fatboy]

also leaning greatly towards nirv

[Miselius]

Firstly the Zoro vs Ryuuma part, a few minutes please it would've been at least 10 15 minutes in normal conditions and now Zoro is being continuously knocked off of balance. As for just being a little more beaten up in a sword fight of this level a small mistake could be fatal. Now if Zoro tries to take Ms.Merry Christmas out even if it only for a second or two he leaves himself wide open to be stabbed fatally by Ryuuma like I said a very high level fighter. As for Mr.3 'marking' Ms. Merry Christmas how, the teams start apart from each other and as soon as she goes underground he can hardly mark her.I re-read the fight and seriously it didn't take much longer than five minutes if you cut out all the talking manga charachters do in the middle of fights. They won't be talking this time. Zoro got the durablirty to survive almost anything Ryuuma throws at him. And seriously he was pretty much undamaged after their fight, just couple of scratch. And as for Mr. 3 he can fill Ms. Merrychristmas holes with his wax so that she has to surface because of lack of air. And while he can't exactly locate her he can see the holes. This should atleast play the few needed minutes without problem. And infact while it takes a little prediction and luck he can try to force to keep Merrychristmas underground and suffociate her, or atleast play the needed time.

Like I said you wont be able to mark from the beginning of the match whereas Ussop can start sniping Wiper from the beginning. Also you contradicted yourself saying Pell would be hard to shoot down then saying a few lucky shots would get him.Please Wiper with a few lucky shots, Pell carried a bomb that weighed far more then ussop, from the city to a safe distance of over 5km away in under 5 seconds and still managed to escape so wiper will never be able to touch bell with his burn bazooka. As for dodging with the skates that still means he is effectively removed from the fight and he can't indefinitely dodge so once he is hit once it'll be possible to keep hitting him as he'll be knocked off his stride They can see each other as there is no place to hide, so marking from the beginning is possible. Also note that Usopp has his limits when sniping and when moving around it becomes somewhat harder. If Pell doesn't move fast he can't avoid all the hits and if he is moving fast Usopp has difficulty to aim. And Wiper won't be dodging unless needed or the dodging doesn't cause any harm. Also Usopp will run out of ammo eventually. If there is no other way it's just stalling untill he runs out of it. Of course manga charachters seem to have unlogical ammount of ammo and only run out of it in comical moments.

Well like I said Wiper wont be able to easily take Luffy as he will be constantly dodging from ussop, and as good as Wiper is in a 1v1 match there is no way he is taking even pre-EL Luffy.Are you saying that with Seastone and Reject dial Wiper couldn't kill Luffy. As soon as the skate touches Luffy he will become completely powerless and Reject will one hit kill.

From such a vast distance the flash dials wont do much to ussop and pell as for his aim he is forced to constantly look up not the easiest sniping position and he only has one ammo whereas Ussop has smoke fire and other sneaky attacks to use against him and Wiper.You are right that Flash won't do much, but he also has his Milky Dials. It's unknown how large cloud he is able to set up, but it doesn't need to be huge to make Pell and Usopp unable to attack from the skies and as you can see (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/259/08/) they seem to have enough. He just makes the clouds to something like few metres. He might get shot down during this, but if he sets it up it's possible to just camp under the clouds and wait for Pell and Usopp to come down to shoot them.

[Typhoon]

lmfao a Reject will not kill Pre-El Luffy...it would probably hurt wyper more since he could barelly use one.

But yeah Zoro beat Ryumma while handcapped and pretty easily, but with the mole helping this fight could be delayed. You said Mr.3 was gonna help but in your strategy would be helping Usopp..NOW, this is a logical strategy change but everytime i would do something like that everyone screams YOUR STRAT DONT MAKE SINCE NO MOAR! So im in before all that shit happens (if it does), but now your usopp is still open.

Still leaning towards nirv, by a little bit

[Nico Robin]

From what I see Luffy wont be taken out by wiper that easily, you are talking about Pre-EL Luffy, which is stronger than the luffy who fought Enel, well he might have been in advantage against enel since he had a rober body, but still Enel in my opinion was stronger than Wiper and lets not forget pre-el luffy got stronger than then, and you keep bringing up seastone skaters, i mean come on, you are relying on them too much first of all, and secondly luffy isnt stupid he knows all wiper's tricks and he can dodge his skates and he will be very vary of them.

as for

And as for Mr. 3 he can fill Ms. Merrychristmas holes with his wax so that she has to surface because of lack of air. And while he can't exactly locate her he can see the holes. This should atleast play the few needed minutes without problem. And infact while it takes a little prediction and luck he can try to force to keep Merrychristmas underground and suffociate her, or atleast play the needed time.

Braham can use his flash dials to screw up Usopp's aim and Pell's sight. Also he can eventually hit him as he is pro gunner. It's true that he can't take as much hits but with his skates he is pretty fast too and he knows what to expect.

You are right that Flash won't do much, but he also has his Milky Dials. It's unknown how large cloud he is able to set up, but it doesn't need to be huge to make Pell and Usopp unable to attack from the skies and as you can see they seem to have enough. He just makes the clouds to something like few metres. He might get shot down during this, but if he sets it up it's possible to just camp under the clouds and wait for Pell and Usopp to come down to shoot them.

I dont see none of them in your first strategy, I think Nirv is being too kind on you XD

End of the story I vote Nirv

[Nirv]

I re-read the fight and seriously it didn't take much longer than five minutes if you cut out all the talking manga charachters do in the middle of fights. They won't be talking this time. Zoro got the durablirty to survive almost anything Ryuuma throws at him. And seriously he was pretty much undamaged after their fight, just couple of scratch. And as for Mr. 3 he can fill Ms. Merrychristmas holes with his wax so that she has to surface because of lack of air. And while he can't exactly locate her he can see the holes. This should atleast play the few needed minutes without problem. And infact while it takes a little prediction and luck he can try to force to keep Merrychristmas underground and suffociate her, or atleast play the needed time.

Like I said Luffy took down Mr.3 down with like one kick to the face and seeing as Luffy is charging him from the start he wont have time to set up his more powerful wax attacks. As for the Ryuuma Zoro fight like you said with Ms.Merry Christmas the match will be extended to a much longer period and treacherous footing is a lethal danger in sword fights that you seem to be downplaying.

They can see each other as there is no place to hide, so marking from the beginning is possible. Also note that Usopp has his limits when sniping and when moving around it becomes somewhat harder. If Pell doesn't move fast he can't avoid all the hits and if he is moving fast Usopp has difficulty to aim. And Wiper won't be dodging unless needed or the dodging doesn't cause any harm. Also Usopp will run out of ammo eventually. If there is no other way it's just stalling untill he runs out of it. Of course manga charachters seem to have unlogical ammount of ammo and only run out of it in comical moments.

By marking I mean ussop can start sniping Wiper straight away while he has to go forward to get at luffy and there is no way he can safely pursue Luffy while being pelted by ussop. As for the Dodging Wiper and braham fire ins straight directions and have a small reload time between, Pell could easily tell ussop which direction he would dodge the next shot allowing ussop to fire after the dodge and between the next shot.

Are you saying that with Seastone and Reject dial Wiper couldn't kill Luffy. As soon as the skate touches Luffy he will become completely powerless and Reject will one hit kill.

Mise could the bullshit we both know there is no way on heaven or earth wiper is taking Luffy, especially as Luffy will only be slightly tired while ussop will have been constantly hounding Wiper. And even if wiper won the Rejects would nearly kill him making him an easy target for ussop to finish off.

You are right that Flash won't do much, but he also has his Milky Dials. It's unknown how large cloud he is able to set up, but it doesn't need to be huge to make Pell and Usopp unable to attack from the skies and as you can see (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/259/08/) they seem to have enough. He just makes the clouds to something like few metres. He might get shot down during this, but if he sets it up it's possible to just camp under the clouds and wait for Pell and Usopp to come down to shoot them.


From what I could see Braham rode the cloud he did not camp under it as a shelter and he still has no hope of matching Pell's speed it just makes it easier for Pell to quickly loop around him for ussop to shoot him in the back.

Also a lot of this never appeared in your original strat, it seems your making rebuttals as you go along not adjusting your strat to fit instead making a new one

[Sprite_Knight]

O_o. Didn't wiper like. use the Reject THREE TIMES the entire Skypiea arc. And still fight afterwards?

[Typhoon]

and this reject dial hits Luffy because...O-Wait cause Mise said it would...but not realistic. Luffy has all knowledge on wyper already too, hes not just gonna let this happen to him

and after each reject he became more and more crippled, Luffy got stabbed through the chest

[Fatboy]

imma wait a bit more but most likely gonna vote for nirv.

[Sprite_Knight]

Give Mise a chance to rebut. He has a diff time zone you know.

[Miselius]

lmfao a Reject will not kill Pre-El Luffy...it would probably hurt wyper more since he could barelly use one.

But yeah Zoro beat Ryumma while handcapped and pretty easily, but with the mole helping this fight could be delayed. You said Mr.3 was gonna help but in your strategy would be helping Usopp..NOW, this is a logical strategy change but everytime i would do something like that everyone screams YOUR STRAT DONT MAKE SINCE NO MOAR! So im in before all that shit happens (if it does), but now your usopp is still open.

Still leaning towards nirv, by a little bit
Reject would OHKO Luffy as he doesn't have the rubbery skin he usualy does thanks to Seastone also he is too weak to block the attack so it should be direct hit. If it's not OHKO it's atleast very close to it, but that's even very unlikely. Also Wiper used 3 Reject's, fought Shura and Luffy, got beaten by Enel and he only then he had to rest. Also Reject did the most at cutting down the huge beanstalk, which is saying alot as Zoro and the giant Snake attacked it. Zoro could pretty much throw Ittoryu Hiruu as soon as he gets a good change to hit. It was almost the only hit that hit Ryuuma during the fight so it should be close to OHKO. As for Mr.3 he has been marking Ms. Merrychristmas he is right from the beginning. You see I changed my strat a little when Nirv bought more players and I might have left a bit that says Mr. 3 attacks Usopp by accident, I'll check it out soon.


From what I see Luffy wont be taken out by wiper that easily, you are talking about Pre-EL Luffy, which is stronger than the luffy who fought Enel, well he might have been in advantage against enel since he had a rober body, but still Enel in my opinion was stronger than Wiper and lets not forget pre-el luffy got stronger than then, and you keep bringing up seastone skaters, i mean come on, you are relying on them too much first of all, and secondly luffy isnt stupid he knows all wiper's tricks and he can dodge his skates and he will be very vary of them.

I dont see none of them in your first strategy, I think Nirv is being too kind on you XDLet's not forget that Wiper killed Enel (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/275/17/) only reason he survived was because he restarted his heart. And serioulsy how the heck is Luffy going to win against Wiper. With his skates he is slightly faster than Gearless Luffy. Also Luffy wasn't there when he displayed his Seastone skates, he can't avoid them as no one from Nirv's team has that knowledge either. With Seastone he can make Luffy completely powerless and with Reject he can kill him. I hope there is something on the later posts saying how Luffy could win, because I don't really see it happening.

And the thing is I tried to make my strategy open so that I can alter it a little bit without breaking the rules, which is essential in this game because you won't know what your opponent is going to do. If there is something that goes against what I actually said in the beginning, please point that out.

Like I said Luffy took down Mr.3 down with like one kick to the face and seeing as Luffy is charging him from the start he wont have time to set up his more powerful wax attacks. As for the Ryuuma Zoro fight like you said with Ms.Merry Christmas the match will be extended to a much longer period and treacherous footing is a lethal danger in sword fights that you seem to be downplaying.Well as Wiper is faster than Mr. 3 and he is going after Luffy, he will meet Luffy first and then Luffy has to get past him to attack Mr. 3. As Luffy doesn't know about the Seastone he get's owned pretty fast. Mr. 3 can fill the holes with his wax and play the time needed then. And of course footing is important on swords fight.

By marking I mean ussop can start sniping Wiper straight away while he has to go forward to get at luffy and there is no way he can safely pursue Luffy while being pelted by ussop. As for the Dodging Wiper and braham fire ins straight directions and have a small reload time between, Pell could easily tell ussop which direction he would dodge the next shot allowing ussop to fire after the dodge and between the next shot. Wiper can take many hits without a problem he has the durablity to do it and will absord few hits before taking Luffy down, Braham well doesn't so he has to dodge continuosly, making things little harder.

Mise could the bullshit we both know there is no way on heaven or earth wiper is taking Luffy, especially as Luffy will only be slightly tired while ussop will have been constantly hounding Wiper. And even if wiper won the Rejects would nearly kill him making him an easy target for ussop to finish off.C'mon guys someone give me how Luffy could beat Wiper so that I can rebute it. Like this it's hard and all I can say that Luffy does not know about the Seastone and powerles Luffy gets OHKO'd by Reject. And one Reject won't do much to Wiper.

From what I could see Braham rode the cloud he did not camp under it as a shelter and he still has no hope of matching Pell's speed it just makes it easier for Pell to quickly loop around him for ussop to shoot him in the back.He rode in the top and he has to do it again, but he can create the cloud for others riding as long as he can.

Also a lot of this never appeared in your original strat, it seems your making rebuttals as you go along not adjusting your strat to fit instead making a new one I know I know. This is just fight my original strategy isn't winning so I have to alter it, but like I replied to Nico if there is something that actually goes against the original strat please point it out.

and this reject dial hits Luffy because...O-Wait cause Mise said it would...but not realistic. Luffy has all knowledge on wyper already too, hes not just gonna let this happen to him

and after each reject he became more and more crippled, Luffy got stabbed through the chest HE DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THE SEASTONE!!! And infact I don't think he ever saw Reject either. And it takes few Reject's to actually criple Wiper.

That took like an hour to write so little respect please and not just WIPER CAN'T DEFEAT LUFFY, OMG LOLZ.

It's the most fun to actually fight losing battle.

[Sprite_Knight]

Leaning to Mise.

[Typhoon]

you think Luffy will get caught inbetween Wypers thighs...lolz and when he already has faced him before, thats funny

[Sprite_Knight]

Hes faced the Burn Bazooka once before. Thats it. And Luffy was hard pressed to simply avoid that. Hes never seen the reject or skates like Mise state.

Thighs? Aren't the skates on his Feet?

[Typhoon]

HE DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THE SEASTONE!!! And infact I don't think he ever saw Reject either. And it takes few Reject's to actually criple Wiper.

That took like an hour to write so little respect please and not just WIPER CAN'T DEFEAT LUFFY, OMG LOLZ.

It's the most fun to actually fight losing battle.


http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000256/18.jpg

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000256/19.jpg

and

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000260/13.jpg

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000260/14.jpg

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000260/15.jpg

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000260/16-17.jpg

and that was like 250 chapters ago

Sprite i know you wanna face Mise in the finals but all the BS your sayin might be just cheatin for him but idk and he took many impacts from Usopp and Satori

voting for Nirv

[Nirv]

We have both made our points and I have refuted most of those points you just made beforehand so I'll leave this with a few closing comments.

1. Luffy does not lose his rubbery body when touched by seastone, as you must remember he was stretched out while submerged in water in Arlong Park. Also I know he is not EL luffy, but EL Luffy took the equivalent of a reject off of Lucci at the end of their fight when he took Rokugan. Now my point is Luffy took that at the end of the fight after his body was after taking an unreal amount of punishment, now that was EL Luffy is it unreasonable to assume a slightly Pre-el luffy cannot take a reject at full health. also Wiper cannot easily touch Luffy with both skate and dial without gettin slapped up easy enough. Enel thought he was untouchable so he got arrogant Luffy wouldn't have such problems.


2. As for your strat, you have changed it a lot cos you seem to move charas around to fit whatever point I make instead of just altering your strat your changing it totally.

[Typhoon]

-oh and 24 hours if a forfeit doesnt come before then-

[Miselius]

you think Luffy will get caught inbetween Wypers thighs...lolz and when he already has faced him before, thats funny
Just look at the pages you posted Ty. In each of them there is something blocking direct contact from the skates. In the first pic there is the wristband in all of the following it's Luffy's shoes. The skates are made out of seastone and even if it's on his stocking, Luffy doesn't know it and I doubt that he will find out any reason to try to avoid them. Also in the last page it says that Wiper and Luffy were equal, but Wiper didn't use Reject and Seastone, his two greatest strenghts. Also this isn't current Luffy we are talking about right now.

1. Luffy does not lose his rubbery body when touched by seastone, as you must remember he was stretched out while submerged in water in Arlong Park. Also I know he is not EL luffy, but EL Luffy took the equivalent of a reject off of Lucci at the end of their fight when he took Rokugan. Now my point is Luffy took that at the end of the fight after his body was after taking an unreal amount of punishment, now that was EL Luffy is it unreasonable to assume a slightly Pre-el luffy cannot take a reject at full health. also Wiper cannot easily touch Luffy with both skate and dial without gettin slapped up easy enough. Enel thought he was untouchable so he got arrogant Luffy wouldn't have such problems.Well you are probably right that he won't lose his rubberish body, and that might allow him to survive Reject, but because he would be so weak that he couldn't defend himself much at all the damage should still be pretty devasting. Reject is somewhat stronger than Rokugan, but that's just what I think anyways. And I doubt Wiper has much trouble touching Luffy, seriously that guy isn't so strong or fast.

2. As for your strat, you have changed it a lot cos you seem to move charas around to fit whatever point I make instead of just altering your strat your changing it totally.But the question is did I go against what I said originaly? I think that's against the rules. Not that trying different things if something isn't working.

[Nirv]

Rokugan disintegrated the wall behind Luffy reject did nothing even close to that whenever it was used

[Miselius]

Because there were no wall's nearby. Let's see. It was used on Shura on air, nothing. It was used on Enel in the ruins. Well there was building, but not really nearby and on the beanstalk nothing nearby. Also Reject destroyed everyhing it touched. Shura died, Enel died and the beanstalk fell.

[Nirv]

He was pointing it down at an angle as Wiper stood on Enel's shoulders so if it was as powerful of Rokugan it would of torn up the ground

[Miselius]

It's damage is directed at one point, while Rokugan has wider radius. But this is not Reject vs. Rokugan topic in the first place.

[Nirv]

Ah but it is necessary to prove my point, anyways let's stop arguing let the votes decide

[Miselius]

Agreed.

[Typhoon]

-24 hours up-

Votes

Nirv: Nico Robin, Typhoon
Miselius:

disappointing that more people didnt vote

-locked, nirv gets 15 pts and advances to the finals. Match will be posted soon ;D-